dextrose vs. wazy maize

stbizzle

So is it true wazy maize is better for you than malt or dextrose?

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TheBrent

I'd like to see the pros and cons on each. Hopefully someone can throw out some good input on this one...

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Scooter D

never heard of wazy maize. ive always used dex and malt. id like to see what others say

TheBrent

WAXY** maize... right?

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Kuzin Tarell

I like waxy maize over Dex. The downside of Waxy maize is that it is chalky and a bit messy to deal with.

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Maraxus

There are a few unusual properties of WMS, one of which being the absorption of this carbohydrate. While most carbohydrates are passed to the intestinal tract and broken down to simple sugars for absorption, WMS passes directly through the gastric lining, without needing the gastric emptying for uptake.

Additionally, WMS avoids the huge rollercoaster of an insulin ride (needed for the processing of carbohydrates) that is commonly associated with maltodextrin.

By the uptake of this high molecular weight carbohydrate so quickly, WMS is driven into the muscle cells and muscle glycogen is quickly replenished. In addition to providing more of a muscle fullness appearance, this allows the rebuilding and repair of muscle tissue to begin earlier, as the carbohydrates provide fuel for the body.

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TheBrent

Thanks Maraxus.... Don't we as BBers want an insulin spike after our workouts?

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Kuzin Tarell

I would think it is to shuttle those carbs in ASAP to prevent catabolism Brent.

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Maraxus

why fatty?

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Maraxus

id rather get the carbs in fast and prevent catabolism than to spike my insulin...Replenishment and recovery is the purpose of a pwo shake.

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Scooter D

Waximaize is a modified starch, a very unique complex carbohydrate capable of changing your physique! Waximaize is absorbed lightning fast into the bloodstream by “bypassing” digestion in the stomach. Once in the bloodstream Waximaize actually makes you look leaner by pulling subcutaneous water (water from just under the skin!) into the blood, increasing blood volume! This results in paper thin skin with thick veins popping out and full throttle blood flow to fully carb loaded muscle peaks! Training with Waximaize brings new meaning to the word “pump”. With overloaded glycogen stores and amplified blood volume, Waximaize will overtake you in minutes!

Waximaize is a corn based modified starch with unique properties in the human body. While most complex carbohydrates from normal food sources remain in the stomach to be digested, broken down into shorter carbohydrate sugar chains before entering the bloodstream, Waximaize with its unusually high engineered molecular weight “Drops” through the stomach at twice the speed! Because of this, Waximaize remains a complex or long chain carbohydrate as it enters the small intestine for absorption. In addition to this, Waximaize has a very low Osmolarity which allows it to quickly and effortlessly cross into the bloodstream intact.

Effects

Stage 1. Once in the bloodstream Waximaize draws subcutaneous water (Water trapped just under the skin) into the bloodstream, quickly increasing blood volume. This initial response reveals definition in muscles previously washed out by the thin film of what was previously perceived as body fat.

Stage 2. This increased blood volume causes visible veins to appear in the limbs to carry the increased blood volume to muscles. This vascularity adds to the appearance of a leaner physique.

Stage 3. This increased blood volume delivers Waximaize to waiting muscles, overloading glycogen stores for an unparalleled “full” feeling. This glycogen loading fills muscle bellies revealing previously unseen peaks and size.

Scooter D

after reading this to me it be better to use as preworkout with dex post workout

TheBrent

I need to brush up on this stuff... Does WaxyM do the same thing that the Dextrose does as far as replenishing glyco and shuttling nutrients to your muscles without causing an insulin spike?


Are there any benefits taking the Dex over the Waxy?

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Double3

Will waxy maize make me huger?

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CptSteele

Yes all the bennefits of dex without a giant sugar crash and high blood sugar. Less likely for spillover as well

TEXAS STRONG

Im on almost zero carbs... I have been taking WaxyM before my workouts and I have NO problem getting through them. I feel like shit before I drink it and a few hours after... but for those 2 - 3 hours I feel really good.

TheBrent

Ok I'm probably hoping on the WM train then...

How many grams would you use? The same that you'd use for dex?

I currenly would be using 40-60g of Dex PWO...

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TheBrent

So with Waxy it (insulin) just spikes and slowly goes down whereas malto or dex spikes and plummets later?

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Markoni321

read this

http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/magazine03/dextrose.htm

http://milossarcev.com/board/index.php?topic=6849.0

Hades

Waxy maize does spike insulin guys. Same spike as dex.

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TheBrent

Yep. That's something that confused me previously, but after reading, I figured it out.

It has its benefits, but if you are trying to substitute it for Dex b.c. of diabetes scare, then I think you're substituting it for the wrong reason.

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TheBrent

Hades, would you say this is true? The spike followed by a slower, more stable drop than Dex.

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Double3

I don't ever feel like I crash after using dex.

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TheBrent

I did, back when I used a much higher amount (50g dex 50g malto)... I'd crash. I probably didn't need near that much, especially at my size at the time (165-170lbs)

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Double3

Well that is too much

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TheBrent

Haha, I realized that when IA told me how much to have. I was following the "BIG GUYS" advice on the boards..

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