Just bought my supp list

TheBrent

Well I'm getting back into my lifting Monday full-go

Spent a little over $180 for a bunch of stuff that should last me ages.

Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C) (1 lb)
Super Pak (30 Day) [multi vit]
Omega 3 Fish Oil - Lemon Flavored (7oz. Liquid)
Taurine Powder (1000 grams)
Green Tea Powder (1000 grams)
Creatine Ethyl Ester HCl (1000 Grams)

I need to hire someone to do my capping!!! Thankfully I have a decent capper that does 100 at a time.. It's still going to take me ages to get a lot done

The only things I should have to purchase regularly now Will be the Multi and the Fish oil. I'll buy those in bulk once I see if I can get supps at wholesale from a friend next week.

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TheBrent

Wrong forum.

No one seems to care. I'm stoked though! They'll be here tomorrow- took longer than normal to ship for some reason.

Still dreading capping most of this crap. UGH.

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CptSteele

I just came

Kuzin Tarell

Did you go with TP for all of that stuff?

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Bench -225x1
DL- 405x1 grip and rip baby

TheBrent

No, that's from BN.com. I'm still waiting on two different sources for protein to let me know if/when I can get things at wholesale.

If those don't work out, I'm definitely going TP in a week or so. I've already premade some great mixes.

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Double3

He is probably broke now if he did

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Double3

No need to cap the CEE and taurine

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Kuzin Tarell

Screw that, put the CEE in caps!

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KT021 for 5% over at trueprotein.

Current max's
Squat- 315x2
Bench -225x1
DL- 405x1 grip and rip baby

TheBrent

CEE... dude, you and I both know what that SHIT (almost literally) tastes like!

taurine ok on the taste buds?

I don't think the vit C will need to be capped.

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Double3

Pussies don't work with IA

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Kuzin Tarell

I just get Mono anyway.

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Current max's
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Bench -225x1
DL- 405x1 grip and rip baby

Double3

taurine has no taste

Just throw that CEE in a shot of water and down it

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TheBrent

Haha, for that stuff I definitely would be. I really think 'itsmike' is going to be able to get me everything at cost of a supp shop pretty soon so I'll be going through him for quite a bit of things in the future.

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TheBrent

I did that a year or two ago. I'll have to give it another 'shot' when it's here tomorrow. damn that stuff is terrible though.

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Double3

I don't even notice it anymore.

Usually throw taurine and CEE in a little water and shoot it.

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TheBrent

Ok. I'll man up and see how it goes. If not, I've got a decent capper and a bottle of CEE caps that I bought from BBing.com over a year ago.

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Blown_SC

Moved.

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TheBrent

Haha Thanks Boss.

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UpstateTank

cee isnt THAT BAD if you take it like you would a shot!

Bryan2

https://www.customcapsule.com/index.html has most stuff if you search and will cap it for you for cheapish...


CEE isnt all its cracked up to be if you look at recent studies guys it gets broken down before it gets absorbed.


The latest research that I have just seen debunks CEE as well as Kre-alkyln, below......

Creatine ethyl ester rapidly degrades to creatinine in stomach acid

Child R1 and Tallon MJ2

1***artment of Life Sciences, Kingston University, Penrhyn Rd, Kingston-upon-Thames, United Kingdom. 2University of Northumbria, Sport Sciences, Northumbria University, Northumberland Building, Newcastle upon Tyne, United Kingdom, DrChild@CR-Technologies.net

Creatine ethyl ester (CEE) is a commercially available synthetic creatine that is now widely used in dietary supplements. It comprises of creatine with an ethyl group attached and this molecular configuration is reported to provide several advantages over creatine monohydrate (CM). The Medical Research Institute (CA, USA) claim that the CEE in their product (CE2) provides greater solubility in lipids, leading to improved absorption. Similarly San (San Corporation, CA, USA) claim that the CEE in their product (San CM2 Alpha) avoids the breakdown of creatine to creatinine in stomach acids. Ultimately it is claimed that CEE products provide greater absorption and efficacy than CM. To date, none of these claims have been evaluated by an in***endent, or university laboratory and no comparative data are available on CEE and CM.

This study assessed the availability of creatine from three commercial creatine products during degradation in acidic conditions similar to those that occur in the stomach. They comprised of two products containing CEE (San CM2 Alpha and CE2) and commercially available CM (Creapure?). An in***endent laboratory, using testing guidelines recommended by the United States Pharmacopeia (USP), performed the analysis. Each product was incubated in 900ml of pH 1 HCL at 37? 1oC and samples where drawn at 5, 30 and 120 minutes. Creatine availability was assessed by immediately assaying for free creatine, CEE and the creatine breakdown product creatinine, using HPLC (UV)

After 30 minutes incubation only 73% of the initial CEE present was available from CE2, while the amount of CEE available from San CM2 Alpha was even lower at only 62%. In contrast, more than 99% of the creatine remained available from the CM product. These reductions in CEE availability were accompanied by substantial creatinine formation, without the appearance of free creatine. After 120minutes incubation 72% of the CEE was available from CE2 with only 11% available from San CM2 Alpha, while more than 99% of the creatine remained available from CM.

CEE is claimed to provide several advantages over CM because of increased solubility and stability. In practice, the addition of the ethyl group to creatine actually reduces acid stability and accelerates its breakdown to creatinine. This substantially reduces creatine availability in its esterified form and as a consequence creatines such as San CM2 and CE2 are inferior to CM as a source of free creatine.

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Kre-alkalyn? supplementation has no beneficial effect on creatine-to-creatinine conversion rates.

Tallon MJ1 and Child R2

1University of Northumbria, Sport Sciences, Northumbria University, Northumberland Building, Newcastle upon Tyne, United Kingdom, 2***artment of Life Sciences, Kingston University, Penrhyn Rd, Kingston-upon-Thames, United Kingdom. DrTallon@CR-Technologies.net

All American Pharmaceutical and Natural Foods Corp. (Billings, MT, USA) claim that Kre-alkalyn? (KA) a ?Buffered? creatine, is 100% stable in stomach acid and does not convert to creatinine. In contrast, they also claim that creatine monohydrate (CM) is highly pH labile with more than 90% of the creatine converting to the degradation product creatinine in stomach acids. To date, no in***endent or university laboratory has evaluated the stability of KA in stomach acids, assessed its possible conversion to creatinine, or made direct comparisons of acid stability with CM.

This study examined whether KA supplementation reduced the rate of creatine conversion to creatinine, relative to commercially available CM (Creapure?). Creatine products were analyzed by an in***endent commercial laboratory using testing guidelines recommended by the United States Pharmacopeia (USP). Each product was incubated in 900ml of pH 1 HCL at 37? 1oC and samples where drawn at 5, 30 and 120 minutes and immediately analyzed by HPLC (UV) for creatine and creatinine.

In contrast to the claims of All American Pharmaceutical and Natural Foods Corp., the rate of creatinine formation from CM was found to be less than 1% of the initial dose, demonstrating that CM is extremely stable under acidic conditions that replicate those of the stomach. This study also showed that KA supplementation actually resulted in 35% greater conversion of creatine to creatinine than CM. In conclusion the conversion of creatine to creatinine is not a limitation in the delivery of creatine from CM and KA is less stable than CM in the acid conditions of the stomach.

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TheBrent

So stick with Mono? I love saving money... and my taste buds.

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