Walk my though my first GH experience

SDHW44

Hey bros,

I just picked up some growth. I have been reading for several years about it. and have finally decided to try it out. However I wont be mixing it with slin. that stuff still scares me a little bit. and im not ready to mess around with it. I will be using it along side of 500-750mg test enth, and 400mg deca with 30mg dbol for 4 weeks spurts here and there.

first off stats

26yrs
6ft
265lbs
15-18%bf

I have read so many contradicting articles about growth that I would like to just get a straight answer.

How should it be run? 5/2off, every other day? every day? I have read guys using it at a higher dose for shorter burst, and then lower dose for longer periods.

What time of day should I be injecting? I have to be at work everyday at 6am. so I normally get up around 5-5:30am, and I typically take my lunch around 10am. and work out around 2-3ish. then im back to work till 9pm.

How do I combat the tiredness that it gives you. Im a little worried about this one as I work a ton of hours and I am noticing that I already have to take a nap during the day to keep going. If this make me feel even more tired im not sure how im going to work though it.

When should I start with the t3?

I want to keep this thread as an on going thread of my progress with my growth use. I am sure I will have more questions

Scooter D

gh hormones are used many ways for different reasons. as far as how many days a week most common is 5/2. imo gh will give you better results ran longer at a smaller dose then shorted and a larger dose. if you were doing 4ius a aday what worked best for me was on training days 2iu first thing in morning and 2 iu pwo. on non training days all 4 ius in morning. now to avoid bloat start off using 1 iu for a week and bump up .5 iu every wek until your at amount u want to use. running dbol for 4 weeks is fine but the test and deca should be ran min of 8 but id like to see you run deca 10 weeks and test at 12.

to help more give a history on your past cycles , how many ius you have and what goal is

SDHW44

the test and deca will be run for 12-15 weeks. then I will hop onto something else as a bridge. I only run the dbol in 4 week spurts here and there. Past AAS cycles have been everything..lol I have been usuing since I was 20-21yrs old.

I have 400iu and planned on enough for 5 months at 4ius a day for 5 days and two days off. I will most likey run the GH for as long as I can. My goal is to drop fat, gain muscle. I would like to be 265lbs-285lb at 10-13%bf.

Scooter D

4ius at 5 months will def work. gh will help more with fat lost while aas will give you the muscle. just a warning when i tried gh i didnt start low and tapper up i jumped right in 5 ius a day and had they worst bloat ever! alot worst then my bloat from deca and test.

good luck bro and keep us posted! im thinking of doing another gh run this fall.

what kind do you have?

Scooter D

and with the t3 you can start that right away. i didnt use it when i ran it but will in future

SDHW44

thanks for the tips, I think I will start low 1-2iu and bump up from there. I normally dont get too much bloat from AAS, but I would rather take a few weeks to ramp and and keep any sides low.

I have hygetropin

Mutant

From my personal experiance, smaller doses of 4-5iu/ed works better for fatloss, and higher doses of 10iu on workout days works better for muscle gain.

If you end up running smaller doses, then run it longer. If you decide to do high doses, then do a few short bursts. I prefer taking it in the AM for fatloss, or PWO for muscle mass. That is what works best for me, and many other guys on the boards.

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SDHW44

what if you want both, fat loss and muscle mass? should I go with the big burst. and if so how long should they be run.

busster

split dose to twice a day, am and afternoon.. 5on 2 off

ramp up your dose over a couple of weeks.. 9 bloat/swelling hands, etc was very bad for me..


hgh is overated big time.. hope it works out for you..




ps... try to keep your salt/sodium intake very low, it may help..

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Mutant

Well, you can't get both in the same time frame. If you want both, and have time and money to spare, then go with 5iu after workouts for a longer period of time. It will take a long time to see much size from a dose that small from my experiance. If you are going to use GH, I would take fullk advantage of its hyperplasia effects, and hit up the high doses for 6 weeks at a time or so. If you are looking for fatloss, there are much cheaper ways to go about it...such as t3 and clenbuterol.

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Mallet

If your getting tired mid-day already then you will want to avoid a.m shots. I would stick with pwo shots and go high dose for 4 weeks bursts, this way you will build nice lbm and drop some fat at the same time. I'm thinking 8-10iu's with 10iu's of slin, if your not going to run the slin then don't take the GH pwo, and take 5iu's before bed. I would definately want to include 100-200mcgs/day of t4 or 25-50mcgs/day of t3 with your GH.

So you would do this 4 weeks on and 4 weeks off if you run 8-10iu's pwo with slin, if your runnign 5iu's or less SubC before bed then stick with 4-5 times a week.

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SDHW44

Hey Mallet thanks for your help.

So I take it, that if I am not going to be using slin with my GH, I should go with around 4-5ius 5 days on 2 days off. either am shot or before bed, but not pwo if im not using slin. Correct? with 25-50mcg of t3. and run this as long as I can

However If I decide to use slin, I should do 4 week burst of 8-10ius with 10ius of slin pwo, correct? so If I only workout 3-4 days a week, I should only be using it for those days?

I guess what Im getting at is that it most likely wouldn’t do me any good to do 3-4 days of the week at 8ius 4 weeks on 4 week off, unless im going to be using slin.

Scooter D

interesting. what kind of result do you get from these 4 weekers? would it it be ok to do with out slin?

Mallet

You get great size and strength with the 10iu's of GH and 10iu's of slin, you also get the added advantage of more IGF roaming around, after GH has been broken down in the liver than you would without running slin. The slin produces more IGF receptors in the liver. Also you get hyperplasia, which is the creation of new muscle cells. The body has some wonderful bio-feedback mechanisms though that will put a hault to excessive growth, so taking a break every 4 weeks will allow for those new cells to mature, while allowing for a fullr ecovery of the suppression.

Taking GH without slin isn't all that great, and i certainly wouldn't take GH pwo without slin, that would be counter-productive. You don't want insulin sensitivity diminished pwo, you want it high, GH will de-sensitize on it's own.

GH below 5iu's is ok for subC shots in the a.m when cortisol levels are at their peak. best tim ei would say is when you wake up, do some empty stomach cardio, then eat. You really want to keep your carb meals as fas away from your GH shot when you don't use insulin.

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Scooter D

thanks. great info

SDHW44

thanks for the info,

I work at 6am, and I eat at 5:45am. I work till about 10, then I take my luch when do you think would be a good time to take the GH shot? and how far away from a carb meal should it be?

Mallet

That is correct sir!





It seems to me that before bed might be your best option. You could include insulin sensitizing agents with your carb meals, things like chromium, r-ala, and cinnamon. You will onyl need one of those with each carb meal, but they help a great deal. If yuo could have just pro/fat meal for breakfast then taking your GH shot in the a.m would be best. fats and protein don't effect blood sugar so you'd be fine.

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Ty The Terrible

Hi all,

I'm new here. I just found this site today. Yay! I've used Saizen hgh since 2000 on and off. I tried Jinteropin for 6 months in 2006. I am into staying fit and firm but not into building big muscles. Although I do want to be and stay strong. I am fortunate that I have muscles naturally, especially with hgh and test/hormone compound. I look fab and want to stay that way. I have read some good stuff on this site, especially a nice long article from Baron (I think ).

I had a doc who prescribed but he's not practicing any more and other docs are weird about it or want $1000.00 just for tests etc. I know my body and what I need. I stay healthy without doctors. I did some search online and reading. I found conflicts with Jintropin and what's real etc. Does anyone know a good source for hgh and test. I am taking test in a cream base now and I love it if you get my drift. I also take estradiols. But I also want hgh for my other physical needs. I take 10 to 12 i.u. a day. When I take more I get a an ache in my wrists so I backed off. I'm a woman and I don't want to be big and hard. I do want to be somewhat firm but still womanly.

Anywho, my question is where can I get good Jintropin or good hgh, and where can I get more test, without the estrogen blockers? I found a company that will sell me a case of Jintropin out of the box, vials only, $600.00 and I can use my credit card. But how do I know if it's Jin? I can't give that kind of money away. Hgh has helped me feel better, look better and be more active. It blows that it's so hard to get if you are an average hardworking person. I've had immense physical health improvements with hgh. Ailments I had just vanished. Insurance should cover it, but doesn't.

Any info would be appreciated. I am happy I found this site. There seems to be some very knowledgeable people here.

Ty

Mallet

Ty first of all, welcome to the board. Secondly i would be careful about ordering GH off of online or .com companies, you really don't know what your getting, there are alot of fakes and scammers on the net, so i would lean on the side of caution. I cannot of course tell you where to buy GH because that is against board policy for source talking, and so is asking for a source.

It is a shame that the average joe can't just buy Gh locally for a fair price and use it to enhance ones health, but then people would argue that all supplements including drugs should be legal as well. I guess we'll have to wait until our FDA rules change, if they ever do?

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Ty The Terrible

Thanks for the info Mallet. Sorry, I didn't know I couldn't ask for a source until I read more posts after I posted. I live in Washington DC metro area and there isn't a source local. This is a conservative, highly political area. Everyone is afraid, especially doctors, of hgh. So I don't have much choice but to buy online. I'll take my time and investigate before I purchase, however. I've been hearing that the FDA, etc., would like most supplements unavailable for purchase except through a physician. But I won't go there. That's a hot topic for me. Thanks again for the info.

BTW, where are the rules on this site, you know what can or can not be said or asked? I've been trying to put an avatar or pic like you guys have but it ain't workin. My file is too large.

Ty The Terrible

OMG! Scratch that. I meant .10 0r .12 i.u. per day. I always get it mixed up. It's the 1/2 cc 50 units needle at the 10 or so mark.

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SDHW44

Thank god. I was like a women using 10-12ius a day . I thought I was going to need to kick it up a notch... welcome to the board.

CYCLEON

Welcome, Ty - the max size avatar you can have is 150x150 pixels

and yes, you have to be careful about any PMs and such since some people look for newbs to scam - we do not ask for sources on open boards like this - that is all done privately - since the recent problem in China and the olympics, all GH is a bit harder to get now but it is certainly still obtainable

Ty The Terrible

"How do I combat the tiredness that it gives you. Im a little worried about this one as I work a ton of hours and I am noticing that I already have to take a nap during the day to keep going. If this make me feel even more tired im not sure how im going to work though it."

Wow, Dude, you got long days! Who wouldn't be tired?

I've taken hgh, not huge quantities. I take it to stay fit and healthy, not to get big. I think I got more energized and feeling good when I take it. But I was also doing more aerobics, as in speed walking.

Maybe it will help you energize, but unfortunately, the body still needs a certain amount of sleep. Some people need more than others.

Ty

Ty The Terrible

Thanks Cycleon,

I reduced my pics to 60 and it still wouldn't upload.

Yeah, I know I heard about all the China business. I still would like to make that decision myself. But don't get me started on that FDA, AMA, etc. I found some sources on line, but I need to investigate more.

Ty

Ty The Terrible

SDHW44,

I always get confused with the amount. I was using 5mg Saizen in a 50 iu slin needle at the 12'ish line. So that's .12 or so right? I read Barrons article, how to compute and got brain burn trying figure out how to figure out what I need to use. Not his article, but me and my brain on math now. I used to be a good math student.

Ty

Mutant

Ty, welcome to the board. Like some of the members posted above...be carefull of any online sources. Especially international right now. Make sure you search the boards. Good luck.

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