How long between IGF-1 cycles?

Mutant

I am currently dieting for competition, and will have been on IGF-1Lr3 for the past 4 weeks by competition date. I would like to use IGF-1 to bulk after the competition though (I start bulking one week after the competition). AAS will, of course, be used also. Would 2 weeks between IGF-1 cycles give my body a little time to let those receptors have a break?

I have gone 3 weeks between cycles, and had great luck, but never two weeks. I just dont want them to be burnt out, or it will be pointless, and a waste.

I have also ben using HGH @ 4iu/ed for the past year, and will be continuing.

I would prefer those to answer that have personal experiance on this subject. Thanks guys!

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Mallet

I find IGF to be weak at best for bulking. I would up your GH to 8-10iu's with 10iu's of slin pwo if you want to really grow, it can't be beat. Of course with that high of dose you need to do 4 week burst cycles, 4 on and 4 off. But the gains are great, probably ten times what you would get witgh 100mcgs/day of IGF for 4 weeks.

The best thing i have found is to prime for 4 weeks with just gh/slin/t4, then stop the peptides and start your cycle, then 4 weeks into your cycle you do anothet GH/slin/t4 burst, then off for four weeks, then again for four weeks during pct's.

prime: 4 weeks before starting the cycle:

gh - 8-10iu's
slin - 10iu's
t4 - 100mcgs

cycle:

week 1-12

peptides:

week 4-8_12-16

Following up gh/slin/t4 with aas, especially the androgenic ones helps to mature the new muscle cells. So this type of protocol reaps the best overall gains IMO.

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Mutant

The reason I seem to like the IGF-1 so much lately, is because it makes me extremely hungry! Insulin has a tendancy to lower my appetite after use...making it hard for me to take down food an hour later. (then again, maybe I was just sick of eating so much in general)

Of course, all this may be be changing due to the fact that I am on a competition diet. Shit, I may just be starving from that and not the IGF-1!!!! haha

Forgot to mention, that I would be switching from 4iu of Hygetropin, to 10iu of the generic "blue tops". It's what I have sitting around here. That with wayyy too many botles of Novalog...it just looks so tempting!

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I forgotto ask you...since I have been on IGF-1 and HGH for a while now, do you think my receptors will be too burnt out to even use the 10iu of HGH/ed? I would be taking a week break after the competition w/out any GH or IGF, and then starting.

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Mallet

Depending on how many days a week you ran the 4iu's. I would take a break if you could to give the receptors a rest. Those damn feedback mechanisms love to work against us don't they.

I am currently doing some b-tops that absolutely rock!

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Mutant

Would a week off everything (hgh and igf) be an ok break? HaHa...f-ck, I want to bulk right after the competition...it's the perfect time. My body will be a sponge!

I will probably go with the 10iu of HGH and slin. Hopefully a week or two will be good enough in between.

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I think that you would grow enough naturally after comp, your basically coming from a fairly catabiolic state into growth time. I would seriously give it 4 weeks.

Are you on or done any form of pct right now?

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I'm still on...I am 1 week out from competition! I will be taking a week or 2 off training and any IGF/HGH after that, and then hitting up the weights again with a bulker.

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Mallet

Your not coming off the gear before comp to drop the extra fluids?

i agree with the time off after the comp to give the body a break. I have found stopping gear about 10 days out gets you alot dryer and leaner.

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Mutant

I don't know a single guy at my level, the national level, or pro level that actually do that unless the contst is all naturall. I will be in an NPC comp.

The gear will keep e full, and vascular. The IGF-1 will help me carb up, and keep my muscles fuller when dropping water, and the HGH....well that just sounds pretty.

I use Letro, dostinex, and dyazide to drop water. It does a perfect job.

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Mallet

Ok i didn't know that you were going to incorporate diuretics. Are you using slin during your carb up phase?

Also do you do sodium loading and depleting while carb loading and depleting?

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I stay low on the sodium. No, I will not be using Insulin this time around. It works, but I will be just fine without it. Plus the IGF-1 will help loading...especially on this low carb diet.

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It's about that time man! I have taken several days off training, but my body already wants to get back into the gym. I have been off the IGF-1 and HGH for almost a week, and I am sick of waiting...I want ti take in that 10iu vial of GH sitting in front of me...it almost feels like perfect timing. My muscles feel extreemly full from all of the carbs and fats that I have been taking in. I feel about 20lb heavier, and want to keep going.

Don't know if I can wait another week to throw the GH in. I will be starting Slin today either way...it should help me keep loading.

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waleedy2k

Hello mallet,
I way about 200lbs, 6´. I need to know what the following:
1. what are the pepdites?
2. I used 4ius/day 5 on and 2 off of gh for contenious 3 months and I am taking of due to leaving town for a month. And that was my first experience with gh, now i am going back on gh starting sept, should i shoot for 8ius/day or stick to 4ius?
3. Can I go for the cycle u mentioned here above? and if yes can I use t3 instead of t4?
4. i do not seem to look hard as I hold some fat/water in my arms, legs and stomach? how can I get ripped? and get my viens out? I used t3, clen but didnt do much, i lost some fat around my waist and thighs, but didnt loose much fat in my arms nor my legs?
5. Also you mentioned loading and depleting sodium and carbs, what is that?

please advise, many thanks in advance.

Mallet

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waleedy2k

Thank you Mallet for your Answers. In regard to the gh dosage, my goal is to add on more muscle mass and lose fat:

1. should I go for 8ius/day for gh? IM or subQ shots for gh? 10ius/day insulin pwo? IM or subQ shots for slin?
2. I know I can run the gh for long periods, how about the slin? how long? and since I never used slin before, would 10iu pwo be ok or that would be too high for me?
3. And If run t3 along for fat loss, how long should I run the t3 for? Do I run it the same way as the peptides, 4 weeks on and 4 weeks off, or just run it for 12 weeks along with my aas cycle? cuz I know running t3 for long periods can mess up he gland for life. Please write me a table for fat loss and putting on decent muscle mass.
One more thing, I´d like your advise for:
4. since I used to be fat 10 years ago and lost weight, my shanks all the way to the ancles are fat and look very funny as if i were a fat person, how can I lose the fat in my shanks? Thus never like to wear shorts.
5. my biceps far overpower my triceps and inner forarms. My triceps are almost flat, and my inner forarms are small and not veinny, any advise of how to get them big? do I shoot any of the peptides into the small muscles?

Many thanks for your continued help

waleedy2k

Forgot to ask you, for the aas cycle, after priming with gh/slin/t3, what do you advise for bulking taking into consideration limiting fat and water gains?

Also, can u tell me more about loading and depleting sodium and carb? perhaps this will help me lose fat and water quicker.

Thanks

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deadliftin00

"giving those receptors a break" is psuedo science, I'm not sure it's even proven to be accurate. Your body is using IGF-1 every night when you sleep regardless of any exogeneous amount added. I'd be more worried about supressing your natural production, which I don't know of to be an issue with IGF. 1-2 weeks in between 8 week runs of IGF should be plenty if you want to be on the safe side.

And btw, to respond to an earlier post, it's generally thought at the current time that greatly enhanced natural IGF-1 secretion is how GH adds lean muscle mass/bone density/etc. So saying you should replace IGF with GH is probably bad advice. In your situation, however, pre content GH is going to be superior because it's going to help you burn fat which IGF will not do by any direct pathway.

Adding IGF to a mass cycle is a rock solid addition to an AAS mass cycle, especially when it comes to retaining what you have gained. IGF is adding real cell mass to your muscles, not just inflating the fibers and puffing you up with water. Yah you're not going to gain like AAS with IGF alone, but that isn't the nature of the peptides in the first place.