So you're gonna "juice"...

MrMondo

I am not even going to go into whether you should or not........

I have found that more and more novice lifters are using these compounds today. I feel it is more than ever before. So, with this in mind I want to put a couple of thoughts out there....

First off, I believe that one should "use" for either getting "BIG" or gettting "STRONG". I dont really understand using steroids for any other reason.

With these 2 concepts in mind it seems to me that the biggest mistake I am seeing (besides getting way too complicated with early cycles) is that most of these novices do not even come close to eating properly. So here comes the food for debate.

I believe that if you are using to get "big" that you need to eat eat eat. I do not mean eat "lean" or "clean". I mean eat it all and eat more of it. Obviously taking in at least 2g or protein for each pound of bodyweight. Once having established this, pound anything and everything whilst in the persuit of "hugeness". Once you have hit a targeted size or weight you can then clean your diet to get to your desired "look". Most every pro or vet that i know personally uses this approach. We KNOW that you need the calories, plain and simple.

If one is using for stregth the same applies UNLESS you are trying to get that strength in a specific weight class. Then of course you would neet to design your diet to that end.....

So I guess my point is this: If you are "juicing" you better be eating. Dont worry about how clean your diet is until you start the leaning process of your plan.

AND LEANING IS ALL DIET AND CARDIO........PERIOD.


That is all....

Swellin

I think I have heard this same song and dance before...oh yeah...it was me singin an dancin.

I agree with ya Mondo. Food is where it's at. The latest designer 1-hexysupergrowthmasterabolan won't do jack shit compared to a steak and taters.

TheBrent

*listening closely*

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JC3

Great post mondo. This is exactly how I got "big". I kept my protien high as hell and just ate and ate and ate. I over did it, but as you go, it would be easy to just make small adjustments to your eating without getting all techinical. If you are putting on too much fat compared to muscle gain...slow it down a little and reassess yourself. I was able to get bigger than I ever thought possible.

Again...great post.

J

9MM

Nice post only thing I disagree with is the 2gr of protein per lb/bw. If I ate thismuch protien my appetite would be destroyed and I would struggle to hit mantainance even with careful planning and timing of meals.

rugbyking

i just had this talk with a guy yesterday. he said he wanted to gain upper body size and lose his gut. he said he wanted dbol and winstrol cause his friend took it. i just shook my head. i told him it didnt really matter what drugs he took if his eating wasnt in check. and then i showed him my 5500calorie diet and he was like "you ate this all in one day?" people dont understand what eating big really means

JC3

When your are eating a variety of food and supplementing with shakes, it shouldn't be that hard. To me it's much harder to cut or eat at maintainance levels. I have zero problems eating that much protien between shakes and food. I know everyone is different though. And I also believe that 2 grams a day is a bit on the high side....but will gaurantee you are getting enough and growing to the best of your ability and maximizing the gains you will get using aas.

J

rugbyking

thats very true. i only had 2 shakes a day including my PWO shake. and i was getting 400g a day i ate eggs, milk, steak,chicken,beef, tuna for protein. gotta have a vareity thats the key.

MrMondo

I have done this as have many people I train with and have trained.

Have YOU tried it?

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vettewreck

As long as I get my 300+ grams of protein in a day, I eat whatever I want. Not horrible, but not over the top strict either.

Whenever I eat fast food, I always get the chicken....then probably 2 burgers too! lol!! But hey.....at least Im eating my chicken!!

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What I love is when you see a guy on his first cycle and you can tell...meaning he is bloated with water,fat,red(due to hihg blood pressure) I don't even need to talk to him to tell he is on his first cycle...All of those side effects are usually due to poor diet and lack of research into the drugs they are using...Usually they are looking for the look I have or many of us on this board have but don't know how to do it bcuz they just jumped on steroids without doing thier homework...LOL It's even better when they look at you/me and put thier heads down when you walk in bcuz they can tell your juicing but you don't look like a puffy shitball...LOL

Swellin

2g/lb is easy.

At mid 230s, I shoot for 500g of protein. It requires me to drink a few shakes, but hell....we don't eat because we are hungry. We eat because we are should. If I ever get hungry, I get pissed at myself for slacking.

JdFlex

I bulked up to 243lbs at 6'0". Considering I was like 160 in high school, I couldn't believe I got so big....neither could everyone else I know. It was no doubt mostly due to my diet at the time. But I got too fat and decided to cut down. Now I'm trying to lean bulk, pure LBM gains. Its all about the diet.

JdFlex

I'm at 1.8g/lb on my current diet.

9MM

I have in fact tried a 2gr/lb protocol as part of an overall diet plan that incorporated carb and fat seperation. I was really pysched about the diet and found I was hungry an hour after each meal. I just craved something with carbs after a tuna/mayo mea etcl. This lasted for about 3 weeks, then my appetite went to shit quite literally. If I had an hour to eat every meal maybe i might of managed to mantain my previous calorific intake with 2 gr/lb. Unfortunately I had a job and didn't fancy spending half my waking hours in the kitchen. I decresed protien and increased carbs and my appetite returned. In saying that certain carbs killed my appetite also, tater and pasta were a no go and rice was gold. I believe I posted it at the time too. It was around this time last year.

rugbyking

your a beast in the gym, dont be such a pussy in the kitchen

TheRealDeal

It's all about the fucking food.....and no one ever understands it.

I remember when I was 17 and hitting legs with this trainer at my old gym, Don Coffman.

He was about 6'2 and 230, had great leg strength and worked up to 450 on his squat while I worked up to 275 for my max lol. He said I had alot of heart and drive, and potential.

Then this older guy, mid 40's came up to us and was like wow...nice lifts, yeah I can do alot on leg extensions

And Don goes dude, just squat. Your strength on upper lifts will go through the roof and growth hormone / more free test will be released...The guy hesitated and goes--"well....I'm just trying to lose some weight and tone up"

Don: "Muscle raises your metabolism...and your legs can become very large, squat and theyll grow and youll drop fat easier if you have more muscle, and IF your diets in check."

Guy: "well I do leg extensions every now and then....so I should be OK I think."

We just went back to squatting.

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TheRealDeal

this should be a sticky too.

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ryamigo

i agree 100%

just look at that guy's pics that phreezer posted

eating's where it's at

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9MM

by the kitchen I mean't the dining table. Some foods just don't go down well after I have been eating them day in day out.

skinny e

what does eating big really mean. i am skinny and been trying to eat big but it is diffcult.

MrMondo

Eating big means stuffing your face all day........5000 cals a day min....their are diet stickes that should help/

Swellin

Eating big means eating for the nutrients and not for the hunger pangs. Eating big means getting something (with protein) in your gut every 2-3 hours. Eating big means making food your number one priority...the gym takes second seat...steroids takes about 5th seat behind rest and supplements.


Eating big...if you weigh 200 and you want to weigh 225...you need to eat like you weigh 250. I've always heard that, and it's not really correct. However, it does give you the idea. I eat 2-2.5grams of protein for every pound of my body weight. I also eat 2-2.5 grams of carbs for every pound of body weight. A little flab doesn't phase me and I spend quite a few hours every week in an mma gym...so I need more carbs. I try to keep my fats under 100g and I try to keep them coming from good sources. I have a very serious addiction to sweets and junkfood that prohibits me from reaching this target as often as I should, but like I said...a little flab doesn't phase me.

Eating big...really is eating with the mentality of a big guy. Eating good foods and lots of them at the appropriate times is a large part of eating big.

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