Has anyone run EQ only for an extended period of time?

Hades

Ross, I am asking you nicely, dont respond to this thread at all. I know your theories of running EQ as a bridge because it does not suppress HPTA already. Stay out of this thread.


Anyway, for the rest of you, im looking for a small cycle to run for a while that I could do that would provide the following:

1) Constant muscle gains. Im looking for just constant adding of muscle, nothing fast like a quick bulker, just something like 10 or 15 lbs in 15 weeks or so, and then steady gains after that, the more the better.

2) No bloat at all. I cannot have people knowing I am on at all.

3) A somewhat safe cycle to go on for 6+ months, pref non-HPTA suppressive.

I was thinking EQ at 600mg per week. I would do 1cc (most is 300mg/ml that ive seen) every 3.5 days. Because of the extremely long halflife, i dont think id have a problem with acne or bloat or anything to that nature. Im not looking for drastic gains at all, just solid gains to put some more size on me over a longer period of time.


Thoughts/feelings?

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Vegas

Can you define what you mean by non-HPTA suppressive? The meaning has been muddled around this board recently so I think a definition may be in order at this point.

Hades

Well, its commonly known that deca and tren are the most suppressive of all steroids, with tren probably being slightly more so. Test is also suppressive, so I would prefer to stay away from all three of these compounds for now as I mull the idea of a longer cycle.

I dont understand how this needs a definition? Can you enlighten me?

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BajanBastard

Now would be a perfect time for a Ross imitation

Anyway whatever hormone you use will suppress your test production IMHO as long as test levels are below baseline it is not an ideal situation.

Now if you notice Ross says test shuts you down blah blah blah, just using some study but i personally believe the suppressive side of test comes from its aromatization to estrogen not from the test itself. Notice the 'suppressive' steroids don't aromatize into estrogen at a high rate or not at all? I theorize using an aromatize inhibitor will help in regard too preventing test 'shutdown'.

So IMO here some are your options, you basically want low/no estrogenic activity.

Testosterone + A.I
Boldenone
Methenolone
Stenbolone
4-OH-testosterone.

JdFlex

Mallet was saying one of his buddies runs EQ only for 12+ weeks and gets great results. Its something I've thought about myself. My goals are similar to yours Hades. Nice clean LBM gains over an extended period of time. 10-15lbs in 15 weeks would be ideal. But I'm of the opinion that any anabolic hormone is going to inhibit natty test production to some degree. That said, I think all compounds will yield low testosterone levels in the body. Thus I would always tend to lean towards using at least a low dose of test to offset the decline in natty test. Even 100-200mgs would be fine IMO. Test regulates many systems in the male body, I would really hate to go 15 weeks w/o it. I'm sure it wouldn't be the end of the world. My first cycle was deca only and I had fantastic gains and felt great on cycle. PCT was tough though. That was the only time in my life I've ever had a problem keeping an erection. I know deca is a helluva lot more suppresive than EQ, but that's not the comparison I'm making. I'm just saying I ran a cycle w/o test and I turned out ok.

Hades

Exactly. I know numerous people who have run EQ only with incredible results. And I know I will get some shutdown obviously, but the less the better, and It wouldnt be as bad as something like running tren alone or deca alone. Just mulling the idea...

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MrMondo

If it was me I would run 200mg a week of test......

Now I will ask you guys why I would do this.

StoneColdNTO

Because contrary to what Ross says, EQ will shut down your natural testosterone production, therefore it is advisable you replace it.

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JC3

Because as NTO and JD said, you'll still need a little.

Plus, 200mg of test shouldn't bloat bad or cause a ton of unwanted sides. At least I wouldn't think so. I've never run it that low personally, but I do know that as I raise and lower my test dose, sides run right with it. More test=more sides and less = less. I would also think that a 200mg a week cycle of test would provide as good of results as double that of eq. I've talked to guys on trt quite a bit and they don't complain of sides normally associated with cycling higher doses.

J

TheBrent

I like the low-dose test with an A.I. idea. little bloat, slow steady gains.

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JC3

Why all the sudden worry about people suspecting Hades? Just curious...if none of my business...feel free to say so.

J

TheBrent

i think he moved back home if i remembe right from an older thread he posted. he promised nothing illegal, yeah? i know him so well.

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Hades

Whered this come from?

I am thinking of this kind of cycle down the road, when i move out. I wont do anything now because I am at home, like I said before.

Who is 'suspecting' me, and of what lol?

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vettewreck

JC was just asing b/c of what you said in your first post....how you couldnt have anyone knowing. Thats all.

IMO id run 600mg EQ in 200mg dosages Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. Easy to do, easy to keep track of.

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REMEMBER--

Inihibtion is caused by Androgens, Estrogens, AND Progestins.

Ergo, Testosterone--converting to BOTH, Estrogen and DHT, is highly supressive.

In theory, if you inhibit BOTH--DHT and estrogen, testosterone may not be so supressive to the HPTA. But that would CHANGE the steroid results ALTOGETHER.

Sorry hades, had to interject.

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JdFlex

Excessive test levels will suppress the HPTA. That's the most basic fundemental of AAS usage. Not estrogen, not DHT, test. Test will suppress the HPTA. Christ you just posted a study that said high levels of test will signal the hypothalamus to stop asking the pituitary to release hormones to manufacture test.

MrMondo

I love our mods and Vet's!!!!!

JC3

Hades... Yeah like vette said. Just wondering because you said that no one could know. That's all...being nosey and not knowing that you were back home. Half ass following the stories...sorry.

J

Hades

Oooooooh. Well, its a factor of being at home that I wont juice now, but also my current job (not police officer if thats what your thinking) would not allow me to juice knowingly, although many of my co-workers do.

I thought someone was calling me out lol. Sorry.

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JC3

Naw man..and no prob..

J

*The Master*

Do you UNDERSTAND why TESTOSTERONE is SUPRESSIVE?

Testosterone has POTENT metabolites--ESTROGEN and DHT. You DO know that DHT itself will SHUT DOWN the HPTA, as well estrogen.

Testosterone ITSELF, is NOT inherently supressive. Dianabol, is NOT inherently ESTROGENIC either, but it's METABOLITES are VERY estrogenic. Ergo, Dianabol is estrogenic, and TEST is supressive.

Remember, if we Inhibit DHT and estrogen, TESTOSTERONE may not be so supressive.

Do you know what INHERENT means? If not, please look it up, as it is a very important word.

Do your research before you arrogantly question me.

I work too hard.

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JdFlex

You must have some type of learning disability.

FACT: You just said "In theory, if you inhibit BOTH--DHT and estrogen, testosterone may not be so supressive to the HPTA. "

FACT: Yes estrogen and DHT are suppresive to HPTA. That's not the issue. High levels of test will signal the hypothalamus to stop asking the pituitary to release hormones to produce endogenous test. TEST ALL BY ITS LONESOME IS HIGHLY SUPPRESSIVE.

*The Master*

The TESTOSTERONE molecule ITSELF will NOT signal the Hypothalamus to stop producing testosterone!

It is the OVERSATURATION of ANDROGEN and ESTROGEN receptors that CAUSES THE HPTA TO SHUTDOWN. This is due to DHT and ESTROGEN conversion.

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BajanBastard

I disagree with you in regard to DHT. The DHT derivates are not highly suppressive as estrogen.

Caferacer

So whats this I hear about a negative feedback loop with levels of testosterone.... or does that not exist anymore?

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BajanBastard

I can't believe i'm going to fucking say this................... I agree. (Although I was the one to first make the statement in this thread)

*Washes mouth out with soap*

Bryan2

If you have access to it I would like to bump Bajans idea for 4OHT it is perfect for your situation!!!

Ive used it and it doent really bloat at all provides all of the benefits of test and isnt highly suppressive

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Sure does.

Testosterone WILL SHUT YOU DOWN.

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*The Master*

DHT ITSELF--not DHT-derivatives.

DHT itself will SHUT DOWN the HPTA. DHT is the MOST androgenic compound other than TREN.

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hicktown

Im also interested in this topic as EQ is going to be in my next cycle. can we get back to the original question?

Hades

Holy shit Ross, get the fuck out of this thread! This is exactly why I told you not to respond AT ALL!

Get this shit back on topic, jesus christ.

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*The Master*

I have run EQ for 15 weeks+ on two occasions.

Do not expect MASS gains. Expect a steady, modest gain in strength, GREAT endurance, RIDICULOUS VASCULARITY, and NO side-effects(for me).

EQ can and SHOULD be run for as long as possible, reason being:

1.) It does NOT shut down the body's endogenous testosterone production.

2.) Due to the Undeclynate ester, OPTIMAL physical gains do not manifest themselves until approximately week 12.

*Use the EQ as a BASE, and CYCLE the supressive compounds like Testosterone. Do a 20 week EQ cycle, adding testosterone PROPIONATE at week 4, then discontinuing at week 12, but REMAINING ON EQ! By REMAINING on the EQ, you will remain in an ANABOLIC STATE, enabling you to HOLD ON TO EVERY POUND OF MUSCLE produced by the testosterone, and, even continue to gain. I would even suggest to ADD some Winstrol at week 16-20.

Because EQ does NOT shut down the body's natural testosterone production, this is all possible.


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Hades

Another reason I asked you not to respond is that you've said numerous times that EQ gives no mass gains, and I could bring you 4 personal friends that have the results to proove otherwise.

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