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Now we dont have too many newbies on the site yet and this particular question is golden among them So I though Id answer it for them.
First well look at Tribulus this particular Suppliment is questionable although many take this root of a plant native to asia in terms of hopeing for test production The scientific evidence to back it up just isnt there. I can say from personal experience that it does personally raise my libido but there is no way to really prove that it does this way by terms of raising LH hormone thus increasing testosterone production.Studies show that Tribulus acts as such a precursor to DHEA and the only real thing that can be determined is that it makes castrated rats really horny :) But if you are going to use it in hopes of test production use it at a 5 Gram or higher dose to notice any significant effects. Tongat Ali is a shrub tree that grows in maylasia which is mainly used as a male aphrodisiac which I will totally agree works for that purpose but is this because of a direct rise in Test levels again there is not enough scientific data to back this claim upTake in 1-2 G doses ZMA is next Next we’ll take a look at ZMA, a combination of Zinc Monomethionine Aspartate (30mg), Magnesium Aspartate (450 mg) and Vitamin B-6 (10.5 mg). The theory behind ZMA is simple: zinc and magnesium are important in the production of steroids and B-6 is important in energy production, two things crucial to athletes. If you become deficient in any of the ingredients in ZMA you see a subsequent decrease in androgen production and performance in general--and there is evidence that a number of diets may be deficient in all three. In vitro research clearly illustrates how supplementation with magnesium can decrease the amount of testosterone bound to human serum albumin, thus, increasing free testosterone. Another interesting effect of both zinc and magnesium is their influence on cortisol secretion. A study conducted with oral dosages of zinc ranging from 25 mg to 50 mg showed an inhibitory affect on cortisol secretion over 240 minutes . This evidence suggests that ZMA supplementation could cause performance increases and an increase in testosterone via the decrease of the catabolic hormone cortisol. From all of the research available today ZMA can offer a raise in testosterone to sunjects with deficient levels. But the likelihood of raising testosterone production above physiological maximums seems unlikely.So supplimenting with ZMA should be used IMO as more of a prevention method to ensure peak testosterone levels are maintained. Then we are left with Androstenetrione. Androstenetrione marketed by Ergopharm under 6-oxo works as a suicide inhibitor to aromatase. Aromatase is the enzyme responsible for converting Testosterone into Estrogen. Now the theory here is clear, reduce enough estrogen in the hypothalumus and the body will try and counteract this by producing more androgens which are the precursors to estrogen. This is the bodys only way at producing a high level of estrogen is to produce more testosterone in order to aromatase into estrogen. Now there is a new gem on the market that is currently on its beta testing phase it is called AcTivaTe and is being marketed by Designer Suppliments although this product does not directly increase Testosterone production it does increase actual useable test in the body by binding to SHBG to acheive more free test and therfore create an environment for enhanced muscle growth. There are 4 proteins that testosterone can be bound to...they include: albumin SHBG transcortin transferrin OR the testosterone can be a free/unbound hormone. Both free/unbound and albumin bound testosterone are biologically active, which is comprised of 33 to 54% of the total circulating testosterone. The SHBG is not availiable for physiological use, which is comprised of 44 to 65% of circulating testosterone. Transcortin is a corticosteroid binding globulin and when bound to testosterone is a measure of estrogenicity. Transferrin increase is associated with estrogen excess. As you age, there is a decrease in synthesis of androgens by the Leydig cells in the testes and the zona reticularis of the adrenal cortex, with a increase in SHBG production by the liver. What we primarly want to do is lower SHBG levels or prevent them from binding to testosterone and increase the free/unbound testosterone and the albumin bound testosterone. Here is a graph showing how the product works taken from Myostatin on anabolicminds So Trib really has no scientific data to back up the claims of increased test production ZMA should be used more as a prevention method to ensure that optimal levels of test are maintained. And Androstenetrione shows the most promise for actually increasing ones test levels beyond normal parameters. So the key palyers here are activaTe by Designer supps and either a traditional AI ie arimidex/femara/aromasin or the legal OTC versions ie 6oxo or even better Rebound XT The use of an AI will allow for higher than normal consentrations of testosterone production and the use of ActivaTe will make it so you can actually use more of the the increased testosterone for muscle building purposes!!! ![]()
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Yeah you deffenatley can but metacourt is more of a cortisol controling product and isnt super effective try lean xtreme by designer suppliments for that one as well as the AI.
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Ill vouch for ZMA. Ive used Vitamen Shoppe brand, and GNC brand, and as much as i hate shopping at GNC, the GNC ZMA is the only stuff that i could actually tell was working. Stuff is great, just smells like dick.
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Oh nice I got a little sticky action going on
Almost makes ya feel special lol Anyways to update this post if one wanted to use a legal anti aromatise chem instead of letro or adex. They would want to check out ATD instead of 6oxo because ATD is alot more powerfull in terms of effectiveness. ATD is found in Rebound XT by designer supps, novedex xt by gaspari, and ultra hotter by ALRI but they use a methylated version of ATD. ATD is 3,17-diketo-androst-1,4,6-triene
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Ok!
I'm horny right now and I was horny yesterday, so that means "the shit really worked" I'm using DHEA and Tribulus and this is my second day. I have an amazing tinggle sensation in my balls it's crazy. |
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i've used trib: slight increase in libido; 6 oxo: for pct from 4-ad cycle, no real noticeable difference; used ZMA: great sleep and more boners; used Instone's stuff with zma, trib and 6oxo..my wang was hard 80% of the day but it was waay too expensive to run for any real amount of time
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What dose are you using your trib ? Great post btw Bryan.
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[QUOTE=The Giant Killer]What dose are you using your trib ?
1050mg ED, don't know if its too much but I will wait till tomorow to see if my balls hurt. Great post btw Bryan.[/QUOT |
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Really ? I wouldnt have thought they would have that much of an impact.
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no idea bro..but i can only assume its related since the ball pain began within days of me taking them together, and the ball pain went away as soon as i stopped
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weird. I bought some trib and some ZMA i'll see if I get the same problem.
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has any1 used trib at 3000mg-5000mg doses (split throughout the day) 5 days on 2 days off for 4 weeks? i am planning on doing it with my pct and was wondering if there are any bad sides. i heard that too high a dose for too long can effect the bodies ability to release LH is this true?
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